hackthis_archive | And to think I was trying to spare myself.

ETA: Okay, I wrote it, posted it, decided I didn't need the blood pressure issues, got yelled at for closing it off (

copracat), and said, ah well, fuck it. Have at it.

Okay, I don't know what I love more about

defamer that they throw in the phrase "manager who lives in the TV set" in reference to Kevin Connolly -- Eric to the Entourage folk -- or that they do a complete dissection of Ari appearing on the cover of Los Angeles. Oh, hey, guess who was on last month's cover? George. Yeah, I tell no lies. You want something really wild? I wrote about Ari being on the cover last week as a lark, but didn't actually know he was going to be on it. Yeah, smoke that one.

In other news, after reading this article*

issaro asked, "Where are the naked men?" which is such a valid question, it's really is a bit like that advert, "Where's the beef?"

To which she,

serialkarma and I then had an exchange about how society views the male and female bodies, who sees what as erotic*, why Playgirl is just scary, and why everybody should just keep their clothes on. Unless your name is Tom Welling.

hackthis: //"Men just aren't viewed as sex objects in the same way that women are," Min says. // Um, on what planet is this? Naked men aren't hot? Uh, maybe not to her, but to me, hell yeah! The female form, you know, I have one, doesn't really interest me all that much as long as it doesn't break down, but the male form? Right on. Obviously this is why no one thinks I could ever be a lesbian.

serialkarma: You realize she meant in a societal sense, right? In which case, I think she totally has a point. Also about how we aren't trained to view the male body in an erotic way the way we are the female body--even straight women. Ever looked at a Playgirl? A friend of mine had a subscription in college, and we all used to look at and go "Huh. You know, I think they'd be sexier with clothes. The nude male just looks kind of funny.

issaro: It is a good point. But there's the flip side she doesn't discuss. Women also take off their clothes because it gives them power. The nude female form can be and is extremely powerful. Men just feel vulnerable when nude. Whether it's a good thing or bad that that's how women get power is being debated in the article but either way it's power and I don't think men have the same sense of empowerment when naked. If that makes any sense?

hackthis: You know I just don't see the female body as erotic. At all. I have one, so not interested. Playgirl, okay, that's just wrong because they're all waxed, Mystic tanned and photoshopped to within an inch of their lives. It's just weird. And wrong. I mean, do *you* feel empowered when you're naked? [I just tend to feel a bit cold]

So, now I bring the question to you lot: What do you find erotic? Why? Why not? Do you feel empowered when you're naked or would you rather have sex full clothed and through a sheet (hey, the religions may be on to something here)? Does this whole women are empowered through nudity sound like a crock of shit to you, too? Why can't we be empowered in our pyjamas? Why does Janet Jackson get publically flogged for life for flashing at the Super Bowl? Why are men who appear naked in films seen as "brave" when it's almost de rigeur for women? Who made up these rules and where can we find him (because you know it's a man) to do very vile and unseemly things to him in the name of 'empowerment'?

Plese note that this is to be a proper discussion. I trust you all know how to behave without resorting to name-calling, unless you're talking trash about Tom Ford or the chauvisnistic industry structure, then it's okay.

*I should point out that I have said Vanity Fair and my only thoughts upon seeing said article where a) Tom Ford has no place on that cover b) Both girls could stand to eat more and c) More importantly, why are they on this cover? Neither one of them could act their way out of a paper bag!

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I have no issue with naked and half-naked men.

And for my weird fetish of the week, I find the way Sean Maher (Simon on Firefly) ennunciates really, really erotic. If he were to just stand in front of me reading the phone book shirtless...well, yes.

I've had an issue with the double standard in Hollywood for ages. Almost ALL actresses, no matter which part they're playing, have to be beautiful. Men don't have nearly so much pressure to be good-looking. I reckon there should be a better balance.

So there should be about half good-looking and half average-looking men, and the good-looking men should be skimpily clad. *nods*

I've had an issue with the double standard in Hollywood for ages. Almost ALL actresses, no matter which part they're playing, have to be beautiful. Men don't have nearly so much pressure to be good-looking. I reckon there should be a better balance.

I'd been reading some article about William Hurt and I was thinking the same thing. Look at all the male "character actors" who are so not hot. Kevin Spacey. Philip Seymour Hoffman. William bloody Hurt. Paul Giamatti. If you're male and you have talent, you are totally welcome; if you are male; and don't have much talent, but are hot, well, that's what the WB and soaps are for. If you're female and have talent, but aren't hot, you are S.O.L.

Exactly! I understand that we're going to the movies to see beautiful people, but we are also going to be entertained, to be convinced, and while there are some good female character actors out there, none of them are appreciated as much as they should be.

There are also a few male stars who are pretty but fairly useless at acting - Orlando Bloom springs to mind - but they're fewer and far between.

After all that, even in the shallower movies there's just not enough hot, semi-naked men, while hot semi-naked women parade through them all the time. It isn't fair! I like a nice shallow movie too, but I want them to give us shallow girls something to look at too.

I think that's probably one of the reasons I like Dude, Where's My Car? It's got slash and pretty, shirtless boys who can't act. :D

And to think I was trying to spare myself.

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