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Pimp, babble, rec, NATHAN!

I thought this week would be better than last week, but I was fucking wrong wasn't I? *sigh* Happy thoughts... happy thoughts...

I saw Howl's Moving Castle recently, twice, because well, shit, was that a goddamn awesome movie or what? I also saw Sky High, which was cute, in an American Harry Potter sort of way, but is there fic for Howl or no? Also, if Children of Men doesn't leave you poleaxed in your seat, man...

Also, today is NATHAN DAY! Okay, every day is Nathan Day 'round these parts, but since it's Monday it's doubly Nathan day. All I want to do is talk about the awesome Petrelli-centric writing being done by

scribblinlenore and

sparky77 (or I would be if the latter would write some more damnit (*smacks with anvil*). There was some sort of mass proliferation this past weekend though and I highly recommend When He Sings by

mandysbitch (incest) and Peter Pan (gen, Nathan & Peter) by

linaerys which are both absolutely CRACKING stuff. Bless you both many times over.

Their writing spawned some random thinky thoughts about Nathan, which I'm sure will come out in my writing soonish (what you thought I was just going to tell you? HA!) But I will say that upon second viewing of Godsend I noticed two itty bitty things that, you know, might be worth taking notice of.

a) Nathan says he loves Peter not once, but TWICE. Most of us were so brain-fried by the kiss and the 'I love you, man', that I think we missed when Simone's sitting at Peter's bedside and Nathan says it then. He's getting all excitable about the fucking painting and why did she tell him (bitch!slap), and then he says something like 'I love him and I'll be damned if I'm going to sit around and watch him die!" Everyone who said Nathan didn't love Peter can suck it. TWICE.

b) When Nathan and Hiro are having their BFF forever moment, what does Nathan say he wants to do? He says he wants to HELP. When has Nathan ever said he wants to help anybody ever? Never. Isn't that what he and Peter are always fighting about in the first place? Nathan's refusal to help even though he could set a world record for saving cats from trees? And yet, ultimately who makes Nathan want to do said helping? Peter. Not through the continued haranguing, which
obviously Nathan's built up an immunity to after all this time (which I hate to say, has some swiss cheese sized holes), but because Nathan is fucking desperate and he wants to be able to feel like he's actively doing something to bring Peter back to him.

Apart from the massive BroYay of that statement (Love you, Tim!) you cannot deny that Nathan loves Peter dearly and will do anything that might help him. He may not scream it from the rooftops, but he is truly devoted to Peter. In fact he's more devoted to Peter than he is to his mother or his wife or anybody else. Everybody else Nathan loves with qualifications (He loves his mom, because she's a nutter and his mom; he loves Heidi because she's his wife and the mother of his children, and because, hello fucking guilt!)

Peter is Nathan's lodestar.

For all the idolizing of Nathan that Peter does, Peter is truly Nathan's man on the pedestal. He is the only untainted and pure thing Nathan has. Every time Nathan tells Peter 'no' he's trying to keep him safe, and every time he gives in, he's trying to act at his buffer. That's love, y'all. More than any words, or questionable touch, it's all in the actions and Nathan is a man of action.

Yes, you know I'm gonna write a story about that.

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Omg, I love your Petrelli fixation SO MUCH right now!!!!!!!!

And I agree with all those OTT things you just said about Nathan. *bwee*

Thanks for the recs (I mean links to other people, not me, although thanks for linking me, too.) There is good Nathan/Peter, as you well know because you're writing it, but a lot of it makes me want to rip my eyeballs out.

Re: your Nathan and Peter thoughts, I was thinking a lot along the same lines (http://linaerys.livejournal.com/473942.html#cutid1) except you say it better =). And of course Nathan kind of idolizing Peter (in his way), seeing Peter as kind of pure and idealistic, makes the BroYay that much more fraught.

I want to work all this into how Nathan betrays Peter in ep 3 by using his not!suicide attempt as part of a campaign speech--I think you could read it as trying to protect Peter, in a very high-handed way, but it's also quite a dick move. I'm also not sure at that point if Nathan's still trying to be in total denial about the flying thing, and the fact that Peter didn't know Nathan could fly when he jumped makes it easy for Nathan to think of it as a suicide attempt.

Not thinking about that until I finish the current fic, though.

Dude. Their love is so iconic.

Ok. Without going totally wacko, tell me: is there some kind of issue in this fandom where people actually said that Nathan doesn't love his brother just because he's a giant jackass/self-centered prick?

Huh.

I hope you write a story about us because WORD. Us Nathan lovers have to stick together. Of course he can be an ass sometimes, but it's all part of his charm. And he truly thinks, when it concerns Peter, he's doing what he has to do to take care of him.

I have nothing of any substance to add. Just... Nathan! Peter! Nathan/Peter! Love!

That is all. :)

there is, afaict, an enormous dearth of Howl fanfic. there is a tiny bit on the

dwj_fanfic community, but it's not especially extensive. the best Howl fanfic i've read have been interactions between Howl and Chrestomanci, another one of Diana Wynne Jones's characters, so if you're focused entirely on the Miyazaki Howl it might not be all that satisfying. (the Ghibli movie and the book it's "based" on are quite different.)

[fic featuring Howl and Chrestomanci: Fallen Star by Roseveare, and Silvers Not as Dazzling by Giddy Geek. both charming, but short.]

incidentally, i just watched all of Heroes so far last week and have become indecently obsessed with the dynamic between Nathan and Peter. i can't tell if it's your fault or if i've just generally got slash on the brain, but in any case i'm enjoying it. thank you for reccing more fic along these lines, i've been craving it all weekend.

Have you had a chance to see the fabulous actor-commentary video over at NBC.com/Heroes? Three of the actors (the ones who play Mohinder, D.L., and Horned Rimmed Glasses Guy) sit and watch and comment on the show, which is running on your computer screen alongside the commentary. It's genius. At one point, all three go on and on about Nathan and his expensive suits, and much is made of the Peter/Nathan bro-yay.

I was appalled when Mom Petrelli informed Peter than his brother "doesn't love you the way you love him" in the pilot. I'm not sure what that was all about, but it set me up to think that Nathan hated Peter, especially given that soon after, Nathan announces to the press that his brother tried to commit suicide... then we see him consorting with criminals in Las Vegas... then we see he's an adulterer and the character has seemingly hit bottom. I love how we weren't given his whole story in those first few episodes, and how Nathan's story is unfolding now. If you told me he was gonna be one of my top 3 favorite characters on this show, I'd have told you you were nuts. I think my turning point was his first meeting with Hiro at the diner. I didn't want to like him, but he made me like him, dammit!

It is interesting how good guys can become bad guys and bad guys can become good guys, just with a bit of dialogue and an explanation of circumstance.

Try these links: http://community.livejournal.com/rec_a_day/tag/howl%27s+moving+castle, http://shinra-lackey.livejournal.com/tag/hmc, http://del.icio.us/anenko/howlsmovingcastle, and http://del.icio.us/anenko/howl.

Every time Nathan tells Peter 'no' he's trying to keep him safe, and every time he gives in, he's trying to act at his buffer. That's love y'all. More than any words, or questionable touch, it's all in the actions and Nathan is a man of action.
PREACH IT. I wish I could add something a bit more substantive than that, but "I love you, man." + KISSOF100%WIN + "Veeeeelan?" has fried my brain. Cannot wait to watch tonight's episode.

There's some Howl's Moving Castle fic on the yuletide archive - some quite nice pieces as far as I remember, though nothing quite grabbed me enough to read in its entirety.

I've still not seen the movie - I'm always iffy about movies of books I like, and when it's animated too... I must brave it one day.

I love your analysis!
: fangirls you madly

Howl - yummy in any form. yay for Heros night! (this comment brought to you by your friendly lurker)

Nathan may occasionally behave in a way that says that Peter is a burden, but Peter is the person that Nathan watches out for, that he goes out of his way to help. Nathan may bitch about Peter being a pain in his ass, but Nathan doesn't hang Peter out to dry.

Or, um, what you said.

I have nothing constructive to add other than thanks for pointing out the commentary links a while back -- I love how full of info and glee the site for Heroes is; definitely helped refill my adoration meter (not that it was ever going down really!) in preparation for watching the show last week.

Also, people saying that Nathan doesn't love Peter...doesn't make any sense to me. But then, so far Heroes has been that shiny, wonderful show with the fucked up characters that I love but haven't really gotten involved in fandom to hear about discussion so... Yeah. I love Nathan, and your analysis of the situation.

In conclusion, YAY HOWL! (What? I've seen that movie about four or five times in the past two weeks; it's so good, and Christian Bale certainly adds to the awesomeness.)

Ow! And I know, I fail. My only excuse is that I'm at my friend's house right now and I've been informed that I'm not allowed to write incest on her computer. Maybe I'll rebel. Down with evil Petrellicest oppressors!

And you're being all smart and shit. My brain is still not functioning from last week.

I think you're right. I think their mom has it wrong. I think Nathan loves Peter much more than she knows.

yuletide has some really great fics for Howl, but they are all bookverse. i havent found any movieverse fic, yet, but I keep looking.

and you should pick up the book, if you get a chance. ive loved Diane Wynne Jones since I was teeny, and its one of my favorites.

I agree with what you said about Peter being the purest and untainted thing in Nathan's life and that is why he tries to protect Peter from everything. Peter is the only that has managed to stay unmarred by all the shit happening in Nathan's world.

I would LOVE to see you write a story about Nathan's love for Peter! *squees* Or, you know, multiple stories. Or a long series.... :)

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