hackthis_archive ([personal profile] hackthis_archive) wrote2007-10-24 05:04 pm

Se habla ingles?

I had a dream last night that I had to make this poll. It's just for curiousity's sake, but you know me, I may try to pick your brains later if I want one of my characters to start cursing at people in Russian. Even though my keyboard isn't equipped for Russian.

ETA: I define 'speak' as some degree of fluency/proficency where you can a) carry on a conversation b) curse prolifically and summon a policeman in said language and/or c) survive if you are kidnapped, tied up, dropped off in that country with nothing but your name, and can communicate well enough with other people (without sign language) so you can get back home.

Too much Burn Notice what?

ETA 2: Yes, kids, I know that Scandinavian and Eastern European are regions and not languages, but in some instances you have to generalize because unless it's for a paper, I'm not listing 600 languages.

[Poll #1077017]

[identity profile] hackthis.livejournal.com 2007-10-25 04:45 am (UTC)(link)
Don't feel lame, just learn a new one! (That's my solution to everything).

[identity profile] hackthis.livejournal.com 2007-10-25 04:45 am (UTC)(link)
LOL. Yes, quite, I concede I forgot that one too.

[identity profile] hackthis.livejournal.com 2007-10-25 04:47 am (UTC)(link)
Dude, I did not know this. You learn something new everyday. Are the Spanish dialects significantly different? Or is it more a case of accents, slang and regionality?

[identity profile] hackthis.livejournal.com 2007-10-25 04:48 am (UTC)(link)
I try ;-)

[identity profile] hackthis.livejournal.com 2007-10-25 04:49 am (UTC)(link)
Oksy, you win a gold star, because that's damn awesome. I've always wanted to learn Gaelic, but the pronounciating slays me. I need someone to teach it to me.

[identity profile] hackthis.livejournal.com 2007-10-25 04:52 am (UTC)(link)
I see I lose points for not breaking everything down. Ah, well, them's the breaks.

[identity profile] hackthis.livejournal.com 2007-10-25 04:53 am (UTC)(link)
IMO, you get a lot more points for speaking something than reading and writing, because speaking a language is a practical matter. As long as you don't fucking forget to use it and then forget the entire language. Err, yeah, okay, my bad!

[identity profile] hackthis.livejournal.com 2007-10-25 04:56 am (UTC)(link)
No, I am not going any further, because so far apparently there are about sixteen different kinds of English and French I've not covered, and trust me this was about general knowledge, and maybe finding someone to teach me Gaelic, nothing more ;-)

[identity profile] ranalore.livejournal.com 2007-10-25 05:02 am (UTC)(link)
Hee! Well, I figured the reasoning was something like that, and I wasn't seriously suggesting you do it. If there's one thing I've learned as a military dependent moving around the country, it's that there are entirely too many ways to speak my native language to be listed in a poll with limited space. California alone would require every ticky box that ever was.

[identity profile] artemis-rain.livejournal.com 2007-10-25 05:13 am (UTC)(link)
I can say "I am a pineapple" in about ten different languages. Does that count?

Yeah, it's a long story.

[identity profile] chinawolf.livejournal.com 2007-10-25 05:45 am (UTC)(link)
Unlike most people, I tend to be honest about my language skills in favour of exaggerating, so I only clicked German and English. I can also do what you said in your ETA in Chinese in French, but only just, and my proficiency in those languages is directly related to how much time I've recently spent there, so I would not dare to call myself trilingual or some such. But since I know a LOT of people who tell others that they can speak a language (or ten) because they know how to survive in the language (i.e. how to get a croissant or a plate of gongbao jiding), I thought I'd mention it.

Re: In coherant English

[identity profile] romancandles.livejournal.com 2007-10-25 06:39 am (UTC)(link)
Ah, I get it, I get it. I wasn't trying to start waves, I promise. Make waves. SURF.
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[identity profile] anatsuno.livejournal.com 2007-10-25 08:48 am (UTC)(link)
I never heard of Mirandese before (whee!), nor Gallaic (which immediately makes me think of "gallic" as in Gaul, ans thus makes me curious French-wise), but I know and can tell you that Castillan (what we usually call Spanish around the world) and Catalan are quite different. I had a few Catalan friends younger, and it wasn't the same language.
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[identity profile] anatsuno.livejournal.com 2007-10-25 08:59 am (UTC)(link)
Ja, same for Ich. *g*

I'm bilingual in French (from France) and English (mostly US, but UK too), and I *used* to speak/read/write German. I can still understand some of it and reading is not too hard, depending, but I can't write it anymore and speaking will be at survival levels. My accent remained tiptop, but that's 'cause I have a good ear, mostly.

As a result of mostly learning through auditory stimulus, I have easily and quickly forgotten all the Ancient Greek I ever studied in school. And as a result of speaking French and English and some German, I can often decipher written Dutch somewhat (but neither parse it when I hear it nor speak or write it, of course).
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[personal profile] oconel 2007-10-25 09:00 am (UTC)(link)
They're different languages and recognised legally as such. Catalan, Galician (never heard the term Gallaic) are similar to Spanish since their root is Latin; Basque, on the other hand, has no known origins.

[identity profile] fivil.livejournal.com 2007-10-25 09:07 am (UTC)(link)
I'm fluent in Finnish and English. Finnish by the way is not Scandinavian (related to Estonian and Hungarian, actually!) but is an awesome cursing language. These will get you far -

perkele! / saatana! - literally mean devil, in use both mean "dammit!/goddammit!"
vittu - literally means female genitalia, in use means "fuck!" or "fucking" as in "Koska mä vittu rakastan sua!" - Because I fucking love you!
voi vittu - "oh fuck!"
haista vittu - literally means "smell cunt!", in use means "fuck you!" (I love my language)
painu vittuun - "fuck off". Literal meaning ..well, you may guess. ;)

I also have some skills in Swedish but Swedish curses are rather lame when compared to Finnish ones. When I apply for jobs I say I know German, too, because I studied it and should it help, I could brush up on my skills in it.

Because of my freakish interests, I can get the hang of some Hindi conversations (and know some curses in it!) and I'm supposed to be self-studying Korean.

[identity profile] fivil.livejournal.com 2007-10-25 09:10 am (UTC)(link)
But don't they mostly speak Hindi/Urdu in Mumbai?

[identity profile] fivil.livejournal.com 2007-10-25 09:11 am (UTC)(link)
I can't believe I'm the only one to supply you with curses in my native tongue without even being ass.

I shall retreat back to the cave of embarrassment.

[identity profile] fivil.livejournal.com 2007-10-25 09:11 am (UTC)(link)
ASKED***

Wow, it is not a good day.

[identity profile] ellecain.livejournal.com 2007-10-25 09:16 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, Hindi is spoken a lot, but for most, it's a second language. They teach it in schools because it's the national language and most pick up by watching Bollywood films (which I'm guessing you're a fan of by your icon). :-) But the people who live in the state of Maharashtra speak Marathi as their mother tongue.

[identity profile] jeannie81.livejournal.com 2007-10-25 09:25 am (UTC)(link)
I also speak ghanaian, that's where I'm from. And even though people usually only like to say nice things in ghanaian, here's how you pronounce idiot: krassiknee :)

[identity profile] fivil.livejournal.com 2007-10-25 09:40 am (UTC)(link)
I was under the impression that Mumbai was like a Hindi-speaking spot on the otherwise Marathi-speaking state. I do know they of course teach both at schools and outside Mumbai the state's main language is Marathi. And apparently Mumbai is also supposed to have a lot of people who moved from other states and speak languages like Tamil, Telugu as their first (I know some Mumbai-Tamils).

Regardless, thank you! Good to know. :)

[identity profile] swizzasnake.livejournal.com 2007-10-25 09:51 am (UTC)(link)
Well I put bilingual for how many I can read/write/speak. I speak UK English and can read Latin. Yea, I know that's odd. :-)

[identity profile] isagel.livejournal.com 2007-10-25 11:30 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, I figured you didn't do it on purpose. It just felt so odd for me to click it, I felt compelled to blabber on about it.

[identity profile] chinawolf.livejournal.com 2007-10-25 12:11 pm (UTC)(link)
I can't help myself, it's really getting on my nerves that people keep saying they know, say, Latin, because they had a year or two in high school. Yes, I too had it for six years, it was my first foreign language and I can still read it reasonably okay twelve years after stopping, plus I remember 90% of the grammar, but I actually know NO ONE who can speak fluent Latin apart from church invocations etc.. But that's not speaking a language.

Not to diss anyone who answered this poll, but there is a difference between having learned a language at some point for a couple of years and actually speaking it. If I cannot at least follow a political discussion in a language (think: understanding the gist of what is going on in The West Wing without subtitles), I just cannot say I know a language. Then again that's just me, and my standards might just be too high.

Aujourd'hui, je vraiment écrirai cette lettre! *défait ses livres*

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