hackthis_archive ([personal profile] hackthis_archive) wrote2008-11-12 11:06 am

Epic fail.

I'd planned not to address this whole "black people sold out gay people with the passage of Prop 8" business, because just the premise made my head spin around, but then this fell into my lap this morning, so...

Dear Dan Savage:

I'm not an avid reader of your column. I've never taken more than a passing notice of you except for occasional e-mails from my friends regarding whatever scandelous sex-related advice you've given on any given day. Regardless. I think it takes some serious cojones to state in a blog that black people are to blame for the passage of Prop 8 and then go on The Colbert Report THAT EXACT SAME DAY and say that NO, Black people aren't to blame for the passage of Prop 8.

I noticed in your interview, which I watched before I'd heard the rest of this mess, that you didn't apologize for what you said in the first place, presumably before you did your research and then yanked down your post.

That's perpetuating a lot of hate.

That's a lot of "some black people = all black people". Um, that's not how math works. Some =/= ALL. At no point would I say that "some gay people = ALL gay people", so you saying that is really made of fail. And also kind of idiotic, did you not learn basic math?

And if you can't bear to hear it from this angry black woman, then read it from *this* angry black woman, who broke down the numbers, and the community organization and where the money came from to show that, you know, Prop 8 went through for a lot of reasons, and before you start blaming people, you might want to find out what the fuck they are.

All fail,
X


And if you think this is just [livejournal.com profile] hackthis overreacting to that 'race thing' again, then you probably should just defriend me now. Or, if you actually feel like being enlightened more go see [livejournal.com profile] bias_cut here and [livejournal.com profile] sparkymonster here and [livejournal.com profile] ladyjax here.

Newsflash folks: JUST BECAUSE THERE'S A BLACK PRESIDENT ELECT DOESN'T MEAN RACISM IS OVER.

[identity profile] mbeasi.livejournal.com 2008-11-12 08:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Also, I saw an article that showed that actually, it was voters over 60 who passed proposition 8. Which I now can't find.

[identity profile] hackthis.livejournal.com 2008-11-12 08:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, I've been hearing that a lot too, but it's so mush easier to spread inflamatory accusations than the truth.

[identity profile] mbeasi.livejournal.com 2008-11-12 08:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, of course. *sigh*

Here (http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/11/prop-8-myths.html) was the article I saw.

[identity profile] hackthis.livejournal.com 2008-11-12 08:21 pm (UTC)(link)
I was just reading that article and it really does say it best: Certainly, the No on 8 folks might have done a better job of outreach to California's black and Latino communities. But the notion that Prop 8 passed because of the Obama turnout surge is silly.

WORD.

[identity profile] mbeasi.livejournal.com 2008-11-12 08:32 pm (UTC)(link)
EXACTLY.

[identity profile] amberlynne.livejournal.com 2008-11-12 09:54 pm (UTC)(link)
NATE SILVER FTMFW! Ima have his statistically awesome babies.

[identity profile] duckyjane.livejournal.com 2008-11-12 08:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Savage actually made that point last night, after his whole other thing ... he made the comment that conveniently, they were dying.

[identity profile] hackthis.livejournal.com 2008-11-12 08:28 pm (UTC)(link)
The blog was made at [checks] 9:55am. The Colbert Report tapes in the afteroon. So between 10am and say around 3pm, he did some research. I would say he read the article on 538.com, but Nate didn't post that until 2:47 pm.

[identity profile] rubymiene.livejournal.com 2008-11-12 10:35 pm (UTC)(link)
I think he did read Nate's report before he went on Colbert.
See http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2008/11/11/gay-power-ne-white-power

[identity profile] hackthis.livejournal.com 2008-11-13 12:29 am (UTC)(link)
I think he might just want to shut his pie hole for a while, because to me, that's as condescending and messed up as the original post.

[identity profile] mbeasi.livejournal.com 2008-11-12 08:31 pm (UTC)(link)
I think Nate Silver made that point in the article I just linked to as well, though he at least tried to say it delicately.