hackthis_archive ([personal profile] hackthis_archive) wrote2010-03-09 11:34 pm
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Southland 2.01 and 2.02



Okay, so, I know we didn't have discussion time last week, but that's because I had side discussion time during the episode and then by the time it was over I was so exhausted mentally (I gave myself a headache with all the shrieking) and physically (you'be be surprised how many times you can fall off the sofa before you do yourself serious injury) that I just couldn't do it.

Items of note for 2.01 - Phase Three in my head mostly boiled down to:

- OMG! COOPER I MISSED YOU SO MUCH! DID YOU MISS ME TOO?!

- Cooper's arms got bigger. They're like ham hocks. And Michael Cudlitz looks VERY trim. Those personal training session did that body good. (Not that it wasn't good before, but DAAAMN).

- Ben and his yenta number are love.

- Ben and Cooper and Lydia in scenes together are DOUBLE LOVE. (I have not thought of a pithy saying yet, so double love it is).

- Amaury Nolasco. I know your name, you are too slick. Do not approve.

- Lydia crying over Russ. I had theories about involvement there. Russ is a dick. Nobody would deny that, but just because somebody's a dick doesn't mean you don't love them.

- AVON MOTHERFUCKING BARKSDALE IS ON SOUTHLAND?! Everything comes back to David Simon and The Wire. Don't believe me? Wait until Treme premieres in April on HBO. You'll believe me then.

- The ending scene with Cooper and Ben in the hallway when Chickie thanks them. Ben in his leather jacket and Cooper in the Black Shirt of Sex (TM somebody). I want that icon. I will drabble 100 words for that icon.



And now... now we can talk about Southland 2.02

OH HOLY MOTHERFUCKING SHIT PEOPLE!!!

No, like, really, ask [livejournal.com profile] maurheti that was the end reaction there.

Fireballs, passive aggro, Ben and John apologizing to each other.

JOHN CALLED BEN HIS PARTNER!! Y'all just don't know what this does to my blood pressure. Don't tell my GP.


Here are mental notes that I took for this episode that I'll want for writing later. Feel free to ask me about them, expound, squee or just laugh at me. I don't care. I don't think I have ever appreciated or loved the realness of show the way I do with Southland

1. This episode was called 'Butch and Sundance' subtitled 'Only Paul Newman and Bob Redford were as slashy as John and Ben'. I admit the minute they went in that house and did their SWAT number I was like... hmmm. Extra knickers must be around here somewhere.

1a. Ben was lead on checking out the house... he was so nervous, and you know Cooper was ready to snatch his ass out of danger at any second. ♥

2. The storyline was... man, they don't fuck around on this show, do they? That's why I love it, but still. Har.row.wing. Fuckin' A.

3. Lydia, Cooper and Sherman in a scene together! Have a double shot!

3a. Lydia sees that Ben's upset and sends them home! OMG! I may have swooned. She did the mommy number on Ben! LOVE LOVE LOVE!

4. Avon Barksdale!

5. Cooper goes home and drinks. He has Knob Creek. I have had experiences with Knob Creek. That shit does not play. Cooper's home has changed from last season. The sofa is now camel leather instead of plaid cloth. I don't recall the second floor.

5a. Ben goes home and has insomnia.

5b. THIS IS WHEN YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO DRIVE OVER AND GET/GIVE COMFORT PEOPLE!

6. The following day when John's asking about how Ben slept. Could be cause Ben slept on his sofa. Could be. At a stretch. No, I would but I already wrote that last season.

6b. John called Ben his partner!!!!

6c. And yelled at him about being passive aggro!

6d. And Ben threw up his arms, like, fine, you may've won this battle, but the war is still ON.

7. Who knew Sammy could run like that?

7b. At the end of the interrogation when Kevin Alejandro's whose character's name I can never remember pings that dude in the back of the head with a piece of bread? THAT is when I knew that this show was probably the best thing I've ever seen. Yes, better than The Wire. Yes, better than Generation Kill. Why? Because it's these little things... like getting pinged in the back of the head with a piece of bread that are so fucking REAL, that make this show real. Nobody puts this stuff on TV. Nobody. Except Ann Biderman and John Wells, so, thank you to them

8. We need to talk about Olivia and Tammy. First, Tammy. Tammy... should not be anybody's parent. Ever. She's a disaster. I just... she's too selfish. And her marriage to Sammy is too volatile. Too shallow. A kid... please no.

Second, this Olivia is not the Olivia from last season. Last season's Olivia was a teenager. 16 at the most. She was fun, smiley. She adored her older brother. This new Olivia is slick, too slick. Too old. Too caught up in her own shit. She invites Ben to dinner to set him up with the chick from Everwood and is surprised when he doesn't want to talk about a triple homicide? This new Olivia I can see being the daughter of Defense Attorney Ben Sherman. Last season's Olivia, that was the one I could see being the beloved half-sister of Officer Ben Sherman. Not the same at all and not any Olivia I would ever want to write about. I'll stick with the S1 incarnation.

ETA: I realize I wasn't specific here. This S2 Olivia is a different ACTRESS altogether. And I do not approve of her.

9. Ben apologizes during lunch for over stepping his bounds. John apologizes for yelling about his pills. Do you see what this is people? THIS IS COMMUNICATION. They are trusting each other. Building a relationship. Personal growth. The writers are building their relationship. Give props, they are due!

10. John's dealer thinks he has a problem. Wait. I'll repeat that. John Cooper's DRUG DEALER thinks he has a problem. Uh, Houston...

11. We end with Ben at the shooting range. The place we learned he was taken by a friend's father after he and his mom were attacked when Ben was 10. This is clearly a place where Ben feels safe. Where he feels he can be in control. Life is chaotic. If you think you're in charge, you're probably mistaken. Some of us work out. Some of us take drugs. Some of us shoot guns. But even those things can only do so much.

Sooner or later, Ben and Cooper are going to have let it out somewhere else.

I'll be waiting to see where.

ETA: Random trivia alert: the mostly bald doctor at the hospital was the dad from Beverly Hills 90210. The original one.


*I would like to give special love and adoration to [livejournal.com profile] maurheti who knows all good conversation happens during commercial breaks and to [livejournal.com profile] serialkarma and [livejournal.com profile] sparky77 who are nice enough to just let me shriek and keyboard smash until I'm hoarse.
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[identity profile] maurheti.livejournal.com 2010-03-10 03:06 pm (UTC)(link)
I say again, JFC, this episode...! Seriously, I sat staring dazedly at my TV for a few minutes after the show ended and then I had to take to my bed with a cold cloth on my forehead. Ben's faaaaace -- I swear, boy gets gold star for his expressions. And let's not even start about Michael's forearms. Because dude. Where are my smelling salts?!

Yeah. Still no coherency from over here.

[identity profile] missie-meghan.livejournal.com 2010-03-10 10:15 pm (UTC)(link)
"Cooper's dealer is the tallest man in the world, right?"

I know! That's all I could think during the first viewing. How tall do you have to be to tower over Cudlitz?

[identity profile] alethialia.livejournal.com 2010-03-10 10:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Ben and Cooper are very married. They don't even need marriage counseling. They can work it out on their own!

Kevin Alejandro is fucking HOT.

Lydia WINS!

That is all.

[identity profile] hackthis.livejournal.com 2010-03-10 11:41 pm (UTC)(link)
No worries, it was more of my preventative measure. I know people get excited and sometimes what one person doesn't consider a spoiler another person is like, I did not want to know that.

[identity profile] hackthis.livejournal.com 2010-03-10 11:41 pm (UTC)(link)
LOL.

[identity profile] hackthis.livejournal.com 2010-03-10 11:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Lydia is absolutely amazing, you will get no argument from me there!

[identity profile] hackthis.livejournal.com 2010-03-10 11:44 pm (UTC)(link)
I love Cooper's house. I love that he had Cesar build him a fricking wall last season. I just love Cooper flat.

I think there is only one Olivia and that they are trying to pretend that this chick is her. No, not buying it.

[identity profile] hackthis.livejournal.com 2010-03-10 11:45 pm (UTC)(link)
My only complaint is that they're not giving Avon more time. I'm just saying.

Re: My random explosion of thoughts, let me show you them

[identity profile] hackthis.livejournal.com 2010-03-10 11:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Southland squee is always welcome around these parts I assure you. I definitely agree that Lydia is the consummate professional and that she's doing her damnedest to make this work regardless of her personal feelings. It's just so refreshing to see that she's strong and she's allowed to be strong and still retain her humanity.

As for John and his drug dealer, considering that John mocked the hell out of him for getting picked up for trying to get action in Barnesdale Park in episode 1.02, I find the whole thing rather surreal. I trust the writers though and am happy to see where they're going with this.

[identity profile] hackthis.livejournal.com 2010-03-10 11:51 pm (UTC)(link)
a) THANK YOU! THANK YOU!
b) What is your drabble request
c) I hope you get to see 2.02 soon!
d) Thank you, again!

[identity profile] hackthis.livejournal.com 2010-03-10 11:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Surreal, bb. Sur-fucking-real.

[identity profile] hackthis.livejournal.com 2010-03-10 11:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Kevin Alejandro is so hot I never bothered to learn his name, he's always just been hotass Kevin Alejandro. I am not a fan of the facial pubes though. That needs to go, but him with the shades and the hat? *swoon*

Also, I see you wroted something! I am essited!

[identity profile] hackthis.livejournal.com 2010-03-10 11:55 pm (UTC)(link)
No, scruff is allowed, what Nate has on his face is some sort of scuplted nonsense. It makes me want to call the gardner and take a weed whacker to it.

[identity profile] alethialia.livejournal.com 2010-03-10 11:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Agreed on the goatee! But the hat and shades and throwing things? YES, PLEASE!

I finished something! Shocking to me more than anybody, really.

[identity profile] hackthis.livejournal.com 2010-03-11 12:01 am (UTC)(link)
*throws bread at A's head*

[identity profile] alethialia.livejournal.com 2010-03-11 12:04 am (UTC)(link)
I choose to interpret this as a sign of love. LOVE! And not that I'm a cholo you're about to throw in the slammer.

[identity profile] hackthis.livejournal.com 2010-03-11 12:21 am (UTC)(link)
HAHAHAHAHAHA! All love, bb.

[identity profile] forsweatervests.livejournal.com 2010-03-11 01:33 am (UTC)(link)
As a cop, I actually like Sammy. But he needs to grow up, and as long as he's with Tammy, that is not going to happen. And the reverse is true for Tammy. (Except that I don't, and would never, like her as a cop.) And that sprint was sick, and went on forever. I could not believe that was him, except it was. Fantastic.

And while I'm not a huge fan of the scrub on his face, they might have had Kevin Alejandro grow it because it emphasizes the center of his face; it makes him look more like the actress playing his daughter/used-to-be-sister.

I thought Regina King was fucking boss - but then again, she always is. The partner thing with Russ held true for me because working that closely together for so long is bound to make you either love or loathe the person you're tied to. And as we've already seen, she feels things pretty damn deeply. And for once, I liked her new partner. He was less media-hound and more bloodhound this episode.

And, yeah, Cooper just gets hotter every damn episode. Aside from that bit with his dealer - which was hilarious, by the way - no, okay, even then, I wanted to hug him the entire episode. And Sherman, because, really. Is there any word other than adorable that fit them and their interactions this week?

The only thing I didn't really like was their use of the Cheshire murders as a base for the plot; I'm not a fan of the ripped-from-the-headlines thing, but it really fits with the faux-doc shooting of the show. And that's more of a personal complaint than it really is legit, so.

[identity profile] slashfairy.livejournal.com 2010-03-11 03:50 am (UTC)(link)
word on that.
he needs more time.
we need more avon.

[identity profile] sparky77.livejournal.com 2010-03-11 04:57 am (UTC)(link)

5. Cooper goes home and drinks. He has Knob Creek. I have had experiences with Knob Creek. That shit does not play. Cooper's home has changed from last season. The sofa is now camel leather instead of plaid cloth. I don't recall the second floor.

Ha!!!!!!!! I so knew you were cataloging his alcohol preferences for future fic writing.
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[identity profile] elizaria.livejournal.com 2010-03-11 10:06 am (UTC)(link)
Whee! Glad you liked, I'll see if I can't do a better job of some icons later on.

And yeah, I'm gonna watch the ep now as soon as my coffee's done *mmm breakfast w Southland* I bet it's gonna break my heart as per usual though so for the drabble I would love something between Ben and John and trust of some kind. Whether it's backing up as cops, or becoming friends or knowing John's gay or whatever. I'm good with anything from you really <3

[identity profile] sockich.livejournal.com 2010-03-11 02:55 pm (UTC)(link)
10. John's dealer thinks he has a problem. Wait. I'll repeat that. John Cooper's DRUG DEALER thinks he has a problem. Uh, Houston...

And the way John decides to shut him up is by suggesting they get out of there. Personally, I thought that was the interesting bit. ;)

[identity profile] sizequeen.livejournal.com 2010-03-11 03:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Great write up. You are pretty much the reason I kep watching the show.

My favorite bot of 2.1 is when they're in the car and Be's driving, and Cooper sarcastically asks if ben's been studying the map. Ben says yes, and Cooper turns his head so his face can't be seen and smiles with pride. I loved that bit. I also loved Cooper going home with his dealer in 2.2. That sounds like an incredibly stupid move.

[identity profile] no-detective.livejournal.com 2010-03-11 04:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, I agree - and my comparison was not very clear, because 99% of the time I actually prefer seeing the craft in my television programming, especially when it's done in a way that doesn't take away one bit from the authenticity in storytelling. And NOBODY did that better than The Wire.

Re: My random explosion of thoughts, let me show you them

[identity profile] no-detective.livejournal.com 2010-03-11 04:17 pm (UTC)(link)
The drug dealer and the guy who got busted in the pilot are two different guys, actually.

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