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K pointed out that there's an anonymous meme going around where you can tell writers what you *really* think of their writing, which you know, hey, go ahead. Personally, I'm always getting abused anyway whether it's anonymous, or in sekrit (which really not sekrit at all), or to my face, so if you're feeling that need, knock yourself out. I didn't actually think anyone needed a *day* or some shit, but hey, I'll even start.

[Name here] is not a very good writer. Actually, she fucking sucks. Same stories, same characters, same characterization. I mean, damn, what happened to all the mass murder? Can you just get a new story or something? Also, you are so not all that. I don't know why people like your stories. Are you famous for sucking someone's cock or something? I could totally do better. And I spell better than you too. And, I make less typos. So there. Also, where the fuck is my chai latte? You are fucking fired.
-Ari


ETA: I adore you all madly for rushing to my aid, but I think what I just don't get about this exercise is the simple idea of if you don't like something, why the fuck are you reading it? Is someone holding a gun to your head and forcing you to? I highly doubt that, so why go around being needlessly rude and cruel? That's just fucked up.

Date: 2006-02-22 12:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] literaryll.livejournal.com
This meme is retarded and if anybody makes you upset heads are going to start rolling.

Date: 2006-02-22 01:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hackthis.livejournal.com
*kisses on forehead*

Date: 2006-02-22 12:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] estrella30.livejournal.com
yes, but then george would write one saying how much he loves you so all would be well in the world, right?

I dont know why Im so fucking irrationally irriteted by that meme but I so completely am and there you have it. is it so much to ask that I want people to use their name when they say something about my fic whether it be good or bad? I dont know. maybe Im just being a ginormous hor.

WHO KNOWS IT COULD HAPPEN.

*smooches you ALL UP*

Date: 2006-02-22 12:21 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] doll-revolution.livejournal.com
dude, you are always a ginormous hor. remember your hooker icon? 'easy like estrella'? any of this ringing a bell? *g*

but all that to the side, hor or not you are complete and utterly RIGHT about people leaving their names. \o/ <3 \o?

(okay, i just loved that thing of yours and BLG and look! i've slashed emoticons!)

*is proud*

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Date: 2006-02-22 12:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vylit.livejournal.com
See, my issue is that (1) only the people who love your fic, and who tell you that they love your fic when you post will answer or (2) the people who hate you/your fic will comment, because then they have permission to talk shit and make people feel like hell without having to sign their name to it.

Either way, I don't think it'll work to tell you anything about your writing that you wouldn't know from having a good beta. It's a nice idea and all, but I don't think it works well in practice.

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Date: 2006-02-22 12:34 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] doll-revolution.livejournal.com
plus, i don't know about you, but the only people i have on my flist are people WHO I LIKE TO READ

either their stories, on their daily life or both. why would they even BE here if i din't like their writing, you know? so how harsh could i be? ('and the way you use commas is LAME!)?

so if i were going to do this to someone whose writing i really DIDN'T like, i would have to make a special effort to find their journal and do it.

and to me, that's taking it out of the realm of criticism, and into that of vindictive bitchery

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Date: 2006-02-22 12:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vylit.livejournal.com
Ari knows all those bitches are crazy, and really, that's what counts.

Date: 2006-02-22 01:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hackthis.livejournal.com
Ari loves you too. He would tell you more, but he's currently nursing a migraine called George and can't come to the phone presently.

Date: 2006-02-22 12:27 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] doll-revolution.livejournal.com
plus you?

i love your stuff (that's why i friended you) i love your crack, i love your RPS, i even love all your music posts. ( found a lot of new stuff that way)

what i like best: how you can take the weirdest things ever (cruiseliner!) and even though everyone is doing things they probably wouldn't do, you make it sound like them anyway.

i mean, weirdly, you write BELIEVABLE crack!fic.

so yay! go team hack!
-doll
(signed it TWICE so you would know)

Date: 2006-02-22 01:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hackthis.livejournal.com
what i like best: how you can take the weirdest things ever (cruiseliner!) and even though everyone is doing things they probably wouldn't do, you make it sound like them anyway.

I admit my stories tend to lack plot unless they're stupendously long, and yes, okay, the Real Person Stuff is pungently cracked out, but you know, it's called entertainment. I'm not here to be J.D. Salinger; I just want to make people smile. Apparently, this is all wrong though. *shrugs* Whatcha gonna do?

Date: 2006-02-22 12:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amberlynne.livejournal.com
I talk about you behind your back all the time. But it's always about how much a looooooooooooooooooooooooooove you.

Date: 2006-02-22 01:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hackthis.livejournal.com
*kisses*

Date: 2006-02-22 12:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rageprufrock.livejournal.com
Sometime, you and I should to sit around on AIM and we can do our "greatest hits (no, seriously, greatest desires to put out a hit)" together or something. I just think it might be equal parts informative and hilarious. You know. Or something. I'll even learn how to spell your name correctly!

PS, Jeremy Piven wins at life.

Date: 2006-02-22 01:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hackthis.livejournal.com
If only IM didn't make me break out in hives, but yes, I think if your people met my people, we'd both be like, "Oh, no they di'nt!"

Ari is my god. He helps keep me sane. Are you watching Entourage, you should?

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Date: 2006-02-22 12:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] teenygozer.livejournal.com
I'm confused... people actually *criticize* your writing? Is this an injoke I'm missing the punchline to?

Because that simply does not make sense.

The only criticism I can come up with is "WHY IS THERE NOT MORE OF IT??"

Date: 2006-02-22 01:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hackthis.livejournal.com
LOL. More? You want *more*? There are 500+ memories in my LJ. Of those 400+ are my writing. And yet you want more, priceless.

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Date: 2006-02-22 12:44 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] svmadelyn.livejournal.com
Hallmark cuts off at 500 characters. Stupid Hallmark. The original conclusion to my e-mail--

I hope you take Pru up on her IM offer (and hey, totally the same offer for me; you're always welcome to IM), but she'd have much more to bond and vent about with you. *smiles*

Date: 2006-02-22 01:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hackthis.livejournal.com
Your card made me smile like a crazy person -- which, okay, I am, but that's digressing. Thank you SOOOOOOOOOOOOO much. I didn't mean to sound defeatest, it's just that some days it's like, OMGWTFMAN?! I love this; I enjoy it immensely, but sometimes it drives me mental. I never understood that need to tear someone else down to build yourself up. If you don't like something, don't read it! If someone has wronged you, okay, be angry, but don't just hate just to hate. I mean seriously, how messed up is that?

Date: 2006-02-22 12:54 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] onthehillside.livejournal.com
I finally finished the second season of Entourage. I cannot wait until June.

I haven't participated in an anonymous meme in a year. I sleep better.

Sophia Bush denies she's dating (http://www.contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed.nsf/mndwebpages/bush%20laughs%20off%20gyllenhaal%20romance_17_02_2006) either Jake or Austin. As well she should.

Date: 2006-02-22 01:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hackthis.livejournal.com
June is entirely too far away, I have NEEDS! These people just keep fucking with me though, it's very hard. I mean, really, ARI. And Drama. And Turtle. And Lloyd. Ari loves Lloyd, in his own way.

*Of course she's denying it! Because she knows they're dating each other!

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Date: 2006-02-22 01:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] antheia.livejournal.com
This meme is so fucking stupid. I don't even pay attention to writers I don't like, so whatever. Obviously I'm a big ol' ho for your writing, or I wouldn't be here.

*goes back to baking coffee cake*

Date: 2006-02-22 01:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hackthis.livejournal.com
Oooooooooooh, coffee cake. I lurve coffee cake. With tea :D

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Date: 2006-02-22 01:49 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] oxoniensis.livejournal.com
The way I look at this meme is that the people whose opinion I really want and who I respect most already tell me what they genuinely think of my writing - I trust them (and that includes you, obviously) to do that. And why would we want to pay any attention to the opinion of someone anonymous? Considering the quality (i.e lack of quality) of some recs pages/communities, there are a lot of people whose opinions about fan fiction I would emphatically disagree with. So I'm not going to bother wondering if it's someone like that, someone's whose opinion just isn't worth anything to me, or someone whose opinion I value critiquing my writing.

And if you did the meme, you'd probably just get pestered to write more, like you're a writing machine!

Date: 2006-02-22 01:56 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] oxoniensis.livejournal.com
Also, before I go to bed -

{{{{hugs}}}}

- because even if you don't need them right this second, they never really go amiss.

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Date: 2006-02-22 02:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pir8fancier.livejournal.com
I getting to the point where I see the word "meme" and I want to smash things. It used to be fun and games and a way to reach out and tickle the anonymity that characterizes the internet. It has now seems to be a way to skewer people.

Look, I adore your writing and I've said so many times. However, if I didn't, I would not friend you. I wouldn't read you. I'd ignore all references to you. In short, there wouldn't be any dialogue between us because clearly enough people appreciate your writing and if I don't that's just between me and, well, me.

I have yet to understand why adopting an LJ name has become synomymous with "hey, I've got a ton of anger I have no place to unload, let's just trash other people for the sheer hell of it."

I do not understand wank. I do not understand this need by people to trash others, to their face or behind their back. There are arrow keys, people. Use them.

Date: 2006-02-22 04:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hackthis.livejournal.com
Look, I adore your writing and I've said so many times. However, if I didn't, I would not friend you. I wouldn't read you. I'd ignore all references to you. In short, there wouldn't be any dialogue between us because clearly enough people appreciate your writing and if I don't that's just between me and, well, me.

That's pretty much been my take on the matter as well.

I have yet to understand why adopting an LJ name has become synomymous with "hey, I've got a ton of anger I have no place to unload, let's just trash other people for the sheer hell of it."

WORD! And, also, thank you for the all the kindness. Really. Sometimes it all just gets to be a bit much.

Date: 2006-02-22 02:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gene-lee.livejournal.com
Hey, don't sweat it. I love your stuff. Looks like a lot of people do.

:-)

Date: 2006-02-22 04:29 pm (UTC)

Date: 2006-02-22 03:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] resmin.livejournal.com
Utterfly off-topic, but Tom Ford Fluffs Jake (http://towleroad.typepad.com/towleroad/2006/02/tom_ford_fluffs.html).

Date: 2006-02-22 04:24 pm (UTC)

Date: 2006-02-22 03:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thepouncer.livejournal.com
I highly doubt that, so why go around being needlessly rude and cruel?

Is there a difference, in your estimation, between sheer nastiness and criticism? I'm not even thinking concrit, necessarily, but the kind of "x didn't really work for me, because a, b, and c weren't really established in this story" kind of things. I've read many a story that I enjoyed for the most part, but had certain reservations about, be they character or plot or sensibility. Whether or not I tell the author about those reservations depend on a lot of things. If I don't find anything to like, I won't leave a word of feedback and probably won't finish the story. If I really liked it, I'll try to say why. But as an author, I find those who point out flaws to be very valuable, even if I don't always agree with them. If nothing else, I might have tried to gloss over something because I ddin't want to deal with it - if someone's honest enough to tell me they noticed, it gives me strategies for the next time.

There will always be haters. Learning when to ignore them and when to listen to them teaches me something else, about my own sense of self-worth and my acknowledgement of my failings.

Date: 2006-02-22 03:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ethrosdemon.livejournal.com
I think the lack of concrit is really due to fb being almost exclusively lj based now. People just don't take that time to send email fb where you *can* offer insight that's slightly critical (like, for instance, if someone were to tall me to read over for typoes before posting as an example) or that goes to a more extreme form of criticism (I think you would be a much better writer if you didn't let yourself get so bogged down with this fixation with beer). I used to get email fb like that ALL the time, but people just look like assholes doing it in public in a comment thread. I think that's what's caused this whole trend to anon threads.

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Date: 2006-02-22 03:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ethrosdemon.livejournal.com
your minions are gonna FUCK SOME SHIT UP.

omg, ari, really. Drama is your middle name. I have some eye crack for ya.

Date: 2006-02-22 04:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hackthis.livejournal.com
George, everything I know about drama I've learned from you, which is saying a lot considering that you win AWARDS for your drama. Sheeet, compared to you, I'm the friggin Dalai Lama, and stop gettin those pro-lifers riled up for I have to send you some Kevlar.

How many different accents happened there? I counted four.

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Date: 2006-02-22 08:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] circe-tigana.livejournal.com
the meme is attention whoring. we all do it; sometimes it's just more blatant than others. to an extent, so is posting about being anti-meme ;)

in fact, by jumping in here, i'm attention whoring too.

*sits on your lap*

WHERE'Z MY HOT CHOCOLATE WITH MARSHMALLOWS BITCH?

Date: 2006-02-22 04:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hackthis.livejournal.com
Well, if you want to get all existential on me, we could say that just by having an LJ you are attention whoring. Look at me! Look at me! My pee has no colour! *pauses*

Okay, no more quoting Lewis Black.

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Date: 2006-02-22 10:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fivil.livejournal.com
Shit, I thought that meme was for concrit. Didn't know about the mean comments, all I saw was the usual positive comments plus some advice thrown in, in the style of "you might want to revise your changes in tense" or something like that.

Then again, anon always means that people will get bitchy.

Also, I'm bothered by the fact that I know this Ari feller from somewhere, just can't remember where from. His IMDB gives me no clues, either. Could you briefly explain his connection (in real life) to George Clooney?

Date: 2006-02-22 04:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hackthis.livejournal.com
Also, I'm bothered by the fact that I know this Ari feller from somewhere, just can't remember where from. His IMDB gives me no clues, either. Could you briefly explain his connection (in real life) to George Clooney?

Alas, since Ari is a fictional character, he doesn't have a real connection to George apart from the the one I made, and fact that on his show, Entourage, he is an agent, and George, being in the business must have an agent. I decided therefor that Ari should be his agent.

Date: 2006-02-22 11:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] parthenia14.livejournal.com
I hate anon memes with a PERFECT HATE. Even the fluffy ones. Hell, especially the fluffy ones.

I mean, why - WHY - would they be any more accurate or plausible than your best beta-ing friends, who shuffle their feet when they hate things? It's just - GAH. GAH, I tell you.

*goes off to lie down*

Date: 2006-02-22 04:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hackthis.livejournal.com
I mean, why - WHY - would they be any more accurate or plausible than your best beta-ing friends, who shuffle their feet when they hate things? It's just - GAH. GAH, I tell you.</i. My betas are more likely to tell me something sucks than pretty much anybody else, but it's the whole "I can snipe because it's anonymous" thing that gets me. No one's forcing your to read a story if you don't like it, or don't like the author, so what the fucking is the point besides being malicious?

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Date: 2006-02-22 09:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rozza.livejournal.com
you don't like something, why the fuck are you reading it

I've been wondering that myself, since I found out that my lovely former friends still read my LJ and skewer/mock it as they see fit. A mutual friend had pointed me in the direction of their blogs, so I had checked it out once before, just to see what they were up to. On my part, I had given up all old grudges and was simply curious. Upon my return visit, seeing what they did was kind of a shock because I don't operate like that--if I don't like you, I may take five seconds out of my time to lambast you if you provoke me, but when I'm done it will be like it never happened. In the words of Stephen Colbert, you are dead to me.

Anyway, I happily return to my life before I knew their blog URLs. I doubt they will be able to say the same, and hey, whatever floats their boats. Same goes for you. I love your writing and if I don't comment on your fics its only because I don't feel I need to. Most of the people posting say what I feel and think. And, y'know, if I didn't like your writing I still wouldn't say anything. I'd just skip over the stories and go along my merry way. I think that to go out of your way to say hello, you are awful and btw I hate you and wish you were never born is dreadful, and very telling of a person's character.

Date: 2006-02-24 12:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hackthis.livejournal.com
Upon my return visit, seeing what they did was kind of a shock because I don't operate like that--if I don't like you, I may take five seconds out of my time to lambast you if you provoke me, but when I'm done it will be like it never happened. In the words of Stephen Colbert, you are dead to me.

Other people suck. I have nothing else for it, baby girl.

And, y'know, if I didn't like your writing I still wouldn't say anything. I'd just skip over the stories and go along my merry way. I think that to go out of your way to say hello, you are awful and btw I hate you and wish you were never born is dreadful, and very telling of a person's character.

It's like Thumper's mom told him, "If you can't say something nice, OMG, keep your freaking trap shut -- unless someone did something wrong to you then let them have it."

Date: 2006-02-23 02:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] romancandles.livejournal.com
I actually filled one of those out--I didn't flame her though because I'm not bunny-boiler or anything--and offered some concrit because I'd been too lazy in the past. The meme dictates anonymous posting, so I did it anonymously, only feeling vaguely guilty, because I sort of feel the same way you do about the entire idea.

Then I read this post and immediately went back and signed the damn thing because I felt like an ass.

Way to make me feel all righteous and true.

Oh yeah: your shit's good. I love Ozymandias from like three fucking years ago. You know I like it because it's been so long and I've wiped out more brain cells than I had to begin with since then and I still remember the damn thing. I mean, shit, I still watched Smallville then.

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