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I was going to write a whole pornographic piece of jerk off material where John Sheppard met Nathan Petrelli, because hey, Nathan was (possibly) in the military and I am nothing if not interested in getting him laid. However, even the most fervent fanatic can be deterred by that lovely thing called research, because if you're gonna do it, chances are you want to do it right. Except doing it right involved running smack into the wall called the United States Air Force and how I had zero idea how the whole juggernaut worked.

Leaders of industry easy peasy; entertainment, like the back of my hand; the military? Um, no.

So, like any nerd trying to get a clue, I started off at everybody's favorite site: Wikipedia where I found this awesome (damn you, [livejournal.com profile] rageprufrock) article entitled Air Education and Training Command for the USAF, which is pretty much a guide to the USAF education system -- and by education I mean everything from basic training to Air University, which is their higher education system, but probably not like you're thinking.

And silly me thought that was enough, but then [livejournal.com profile] serialkarma, who may be the best beta ever in terms of thoroughness said, "Oh, hey, read these too!" which then introduced me to [livejournal.com profile] agentotter's Guide to Writing about Rank and Marines So You Sound like You Have a Clue* and [livejournal.com profile] smittywing's This is How You Roll in the Military, And No it's Not Like College, so Please Stop Thinking it Is*, which were both fascinating to read.

It was about this time that I realized a) Holy shit, this is like a whole other universe and b) yeah the story was going to have to be kicked to the curb, or completely revamped, but I was not dismayed, because I then spent the rest of my afternoon reading Surviving Basic Air Force Training which is a 4-part series about, you know, surviving Air Force training.

And I would have to say that more than any other piece of material, this brought to me the reality of the Air Force. 'Dorms' not 'barracks', 'TI's not 'XO's, 'airmen' not 'cadets', 'yes, sir' not 'sir, yes sir' because sir sandwiches are frowned upon. So while being informative as hell, it also cracked me the fuck up, because I bet in your job you don't get shit like this:

//T.I.s are also notoriously hard-of-hearing. No matter how loud you say "Yes Sir!," or "No Ma'am!" your T.I. will probably politely ask you to speak up. Because of their hearing problem, the T.I. will probably assume that you are similarly inflicted and will make a special effort to speak loudly -- right next to your ear. Moving, or showing any evidence of discomfort is considered to be impolite and will be commented upon (loudly).

Before long, it will dawn on you that somewhere between the welcome center and your dormitory, someone stole your first name. You'll probably never hear your first name throughout your entire time in Basic.//

I digress. I put this post together not really for me, but for anybody else who might be considering tackling the Air Force, or the Marines or anybody in uniform ([livejournal.com profile] lyra_sena). Think of it like a wee resource guide for anybody who might want it, and if you have other links feel free to put them in the comments. I probably won't get much use out of this, but hopefully somebody else will.


*Titles were paraphrased by me

Date: 2006-12-16 12:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] romancandles.livejournal.com
Nathan was in the military? How did I miss that fact?

Date: 2006-12-16 12:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hackthis.livejournal.com
Dude, I know. I learned about this in [livejournal.com profile] vote_petrelli, this is what happens when you don't pay attention properly. Apparently it was in a campaign ad. He served in Bosnia, Rwanda and um, possibly Serbia.

Date: 2006-12-16 12:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] romancandles.livejournal.com
Wait, are you sure that doesn't mean he prosecuted war criminals?

Date: 2006-12-16 12:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hackthis.livejournal.com
*thoughtful*

Dude, you know I never considered that since I didn't actually see the ad. Could be, could be. *pauses* God, was he a JAG or something? (I am so talking out my ass). I mean I know he was an Assitant District Attorney, but for war crimes wouldn't he have to work with the Feebles?

Date: 2006-12-16 01:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] romancandles.livejournal.com
Hmm. I think I might have to track down this ad. I mean there is definitely a trend of genocide in that list (although: Bosnia, Serbia. What is that?) and just seems a little out of characer for Nathan to have been in the military when they're a family of laywers.

Date: 2006-12-16 04:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] romancandles.livejournal.com
I... went through my episodes (shut up, stop laughing). In episode 107, when Nathan's getting that painting from Linderman, there's a photo on Nathan's desk of him--I think it's him, it's sort of unclear--in an all white uniform, so I'm guessing Navy.

'Cause, you know, Rwanda has all that water around it.

Date: 2007-01-30 01:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] linaerys.livejournal.com
Dude, Rwanda? OMG HE'S SO SCARRED. But that basically means he's in the UN peacekeeping forces, though, because the US military notoriously did NOT get involved in Rwanda. I love that, though, because I just read Emergency Sex which is all about UN folks getting disillusioned and getting laid. Are we 100% sure he was military?

(And I feel I must explain, as I respond to all your comments, that I just went to a wine and cheese tasting class and had mucho wine, so that's why all the CAPS.)

Date: 2007-01-30 02:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hackthis.livejournal.com
I just have to say before I dash that if Nathan was truly a peacekeeper (thinks of awesome BBC movie>) then no wonder Peter is pissed at him. His big brother went out to save the world (see little Peter waving his flag) came back to fight crime, and then just sort of pissed it all away on politics. Ooooh, I'd be bitter too. (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119873/)

Date: 2007-01-30 02:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] linaerys.livejournal.com
That's a fairly awesome idea. Next fic, not this one. (Writing this during a Nikki and DL scene *g*)

Date: 2006-12-16 12:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] romancandles.livejournal.com
Also, thanks for compiling a post. [livejournal.com profile] agentotter has more shit in her/his memories (http://www.livejournal.com/tools/memories.bml?user=agentotter&keyword=Military+Tips+For+Ficcers&filter=all) as well.

Date: 2006-12-16 12:35 am (UTC)
ext_2583: "Lady Agnew" by John Singer Sargent (Ceiling Cat is watching you)
From: [identity profile] mskatej.livejournal.com
I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about but this made me lol: 'yes, sir' not 'sir, yes sir' because sir sandwiches are frowned upon.

Date: 2006-12-16 01:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hackthis.livejournal.com
Everything I know about the US Air Force I just learned today at about.com (http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/airforcejoin/a/afbmt1.htm), but truly it was some of the most engaging writing about the military I'd ever come across. Which may not be saying as much as it should since prior to today I hadn't gone looking before.

Date: 2006-12-16 12:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sparky77.livejournal.com
Did you say something after I was going to write a whole pornographic piece of jerk off material where John Sheppard met Nathan Petrelli, because hey, Nathan was in the military and I am nothing if not interested in getting him laid. because that's when my jaw dropped and my brain exploded? All I can really think about is that John Sheppard likes things that go faster than 200 miles per hour and Nathan certainly qualifies.

Date: 2006-12-16 01:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hackthis.livejournal.com
That's our Nathan. Also, that photo you put up today, that's not really Adrian and Milo is it? Because um it's really dirty, and really hot, and YOU ARE SO WRONG AND GOING TO HELL! Where Natalie Maines will tell you that her man is straight dammit.

Date: 2006-12-18 04:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sparky77.livejournal.com
Yes, that is Milo and Adrian. And yes, I am probably going to hell, but all the cool people are there, so I don't mind. And did I mention that there was an interview with a lot of the cast and the boys were all talking about how they wear each other's underwear and that the Mohinder actor (I can't remember his name) looks really pretty in a dress?

Date: 2006-12-18 04:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hackthis.livejournal.com
Hell. Huh. Crap. Oh well shant be alone.

Date: 2006-12-16 12:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] onelittlesleep.livejournal.com
I'm sorry. I'd have passed over but NATHAN ICON!

It's so very NICE.

Date: 2006-12-16 01:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hackthis.livejournal.com
I love Nathan. I don't love Heroes, but I love Nathan. All Nathan all the time, tra la la la.

Date: 2006-12-16 01:29 am (UTC)
ext_2583: "Lady Agnew" by John Singer Sargent (Heroes Petrellis)
From: [identity profile] mskatej.livejournal.com
I love Nathan a lot more than I love Heroes. I'm actually annoyed that it got nominated for best drama at the GGs. It is not great drama. WHERE THE FUCK WAS FNL?

Date: 2006-12-16 01:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hackthis.livejournal.com
It got nominated? I never pay attention to this stuff when I should. Huh. Meh. FNL 4eva! *goes shopping for Jason Street icons*

Date: 2006-12-16 01:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raucousraven.livejournal.com
John Sheppard met Nathan Petrelli

Already this is MADE OF AWESOME.

...If some seasonal music would help you write, come find it in my lj.

Date: 2006-12-16 01:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hackthis.livejournal.com
LOL. A little bribery for the season, huh?

Date: 2006-12-16 01:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raucousraven.livejournal.com
Got it in one, honey. Besides, I think Nathan would have wanted it that way.

...is it working?

Date: 2006-12-16 01:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ranalore.livejournal.com
One key thing I always tell people when writing military is to research the branch you're writing. None of them do things the same way, and that's often a point of pride. Same goes for Special Forces of any kind.

Military.com is a good place to get some basics about the Navy, and goarmy.com has similar information for the Army. I believe wikipedia and about.com both have articles on all the U. S. branches.

Date: 2006-12-16 01:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hackthis.livejournal.com
One key thing I always tell people when writing military is to research the branch you're writing. None of them do things the same way, and that's often a point of pride. Same goes for Special Forces of any kind.

This afternoon I learned all kinds of things that never even occured me with regards to have different each branch is; I have an all new respect for the armed services. I can see you beaming with pride over here.

Date: 2006-12-16 02:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ranalore.livejournal.com
I am beaming with pride! And possibly a bit of a sugar rush. But mostly pride. *G*

Date: 2006-12-16 01:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rosekay.livejournal.com
Wow thanks - I also was not paying attention at all and failed to notice the military thing. It sounds like he did serve as a soldier in some capacity (or whatever proper term in whatever proper branch) rather than an international prosecutor, but I'm going to do the handwave and carry on with my Nathan at Princeton aka the Prick Ivy personal canon. He would have been what - early to mid twenties? Volunteer advocacy before law school? But Bosnia, Serbia AND Rwanda - sounds like quite the record for a lowly newly minted Lt.

And you know, later, bleeding heart Peter went to a Samantha Powers lecture and made big brother read America and the Age of Genocide.

Date: 2006-12-16 01:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hackthis.livejournal.com
Princeton? Nathan? *cocks head to the side* I was thinking he was more of a Hahvad boy. No, not there. Possibly Dartmouth, they're very froufy there. But upon second though, no, because Princeton has all those sekrit societies and we know Nathan is a society boy. It's all about the contacts.

Date: 2006-12-16 01:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rosekay.livejournal.com
Ahaha no way Dartmouth is froufy enough for Nathan - too granola on one end, and too jocky on the other. It's a glorified New England prep school, triangular campus, outdoor clubs, more blue skies than famous architecture.

Actually, now I'm leaning toward Hahvad *g*, because I'm betting Daddy Petrelli totally saw himself as a Joseph Kennedy type. Yale for the societies - and also it's CIA/military connection, but now it's too much of a liberal cesspool for our old school New York boy. Princeton for its Eating Clubs - you know Nathan would have DROOLED over those, its lawn parties, Old Nassau, and its incredibly incestuous marriage rate - something like 75% interrmarriage. Not shocking that half the people I know there went as double legacies.

But Harvard is Kennedys, Jews and Communists before it was popular. They're also losing to Yale in the presidential race (Clinton and both Bushes are Eli boys), and Nathan's so politically minded... :)

Date: 2006-12-16 01:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rosekay.livejournal.com
*not that half of my social circle went to Princeton (the stuff of nightmares!) but that half the Princeton people I know are legacies on both sides. Marry outside the box people!

Date: 2006-12-16 03:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gene-lee.livejournal.com
Well, good news and bad news.

good news: you're correct that Nathan served in the military.

bad news: the picture in his office that gave rise to this bit of canon has him in a Naval Officer's uniform.

Hope I didn't ruin hours of research into USAF conduct and courtesy. At least you have your pick of over hundred gay navy jokes. *lol*


Date: 2006-12-18 11:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hackthis.livejournal.com
*sighs* I am so put upon, but anything for Nathan. (Thank you!)

Date: 2006-12-16 03:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] serialkarma.livejournal.com
but for anybody else who might be considering tackling the Air Force, or the Marines or anybody in uniform (lyra_sena).

you are *hilarious*

Date: 2006-12-18 11:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hackthis.livejournal.com
It's always nice when LJ doesn't send you comments, but I'm glad you like the show I'm thinking of taking it on the road ;)

Date: 2006-12-16 08:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hebrew-hernia.livejournal.com
He was. It was in "Genesis" (The Pilot)... Isaac is painting, or freaking out about painting, or something, and there's a Petrelli for Congress commercial playing right behind him. It has Nathan's face, and then the screen flashes "SOLDIER" and then it says "Nathan Petrelli served our country blah blah blah..." and then whatever's actually happening drowns it out. And no, I did not memorize that; "Genesis" just happened to re-air on Sci-Fi last night and I was all "Wait, what?" I did *not* hear the stuff about Bosnia, Serbia, and/or Rwanda, though. Maybe that was a different ad...?

Anyway, in the event that I ever write Nathanfic (ha, yeah right) I will definitely come back and read this stuff. Thank you!

Date: 2006-12-18 11:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hackthis.livejournal.com
You are very welcome, and thank you!

Date: 2006-12-20 11:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meret.livejournal.com
Thank you! :)

Date: 2007-01-30 08:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jadesfire101.livejournal.com
I know this is super late, but I just saw this on youtube and I thought of this discussion. Doesn't really clear that much up though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvPIqBBtcVA

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