"In the quiet words of the Virgin Mary, come again?"

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This is what I thought about last night's Heroes 'Five Years Past', or whatever it was called.




Nathan was dead?

THEY KILLED NATHAN?!!!

Well, I knew something was wrong, b/c that sure as hell wasn't Nathan because he would never have let Peter go away – no matter what they fought about – and bad Peter for not realizing something was dead wrong when Nathan wasn't harassing him every five seconds -- but, uh, THEY KILLED NATHAN.

If they kill Nathan -- I will stop watching. That's not a threat, that's just the truth. Even though Adrian Pasdar was rocking those suits last night and it was never a better time to be a White House Intern (PREACH!).

It was nice to see Jim Profit in the White House, yo, seriously. Did I mention the suits?

Also? Okay, Peter with a scar and dressing all hotass? Whoooooooooooo boy.

No, really, whoooo boy. And I mean that in all the best possible, "here let me channel a little Neo from The Matrix and some Italian mob movie here in my tacky STRIP CLUB!" way. I would talk to K about this, but her head won't stop spinning around her neck and she might get pea soup on me.

As for Mohinder well, it's like I told antheia:

Dude, Mohinder has Petrelli-fever. He's totally their Marilyn Monroe. Maybe marginally smarter, but not by much.

Seriously though, Peter was SMOKING last night, I was like, Uhhhhhhh, there is NO WAY Nathan would have let that out the house.

Sylar as Mystique running the White House was marginally interesting -- it would have been way more interesting if it actually WAS Mystique though, for reals.

Also, you know my favorite part was when Sylar killed Claire. For reals.

I clapped.

A lot.

And for a long time.

Some other stuff happened, the show actually stopped being all "pro-America and aren't we the best, brightest and the saviours of all" and made a real indictment of the post 9/11-era. That was fucking impressive and all. Terrorists, huh?

Comments

[linaerys.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I'll stop watching if the kill Nathan. I just will.

Dude, Mohinder has Petrelli-fever. He's totally their Marilyn Monroe. Maybe marginally smarter, but not by much.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Marilyn Monroe was definitely smarter. But Mohinder may be prettier.

I really need a hot-ass scarred Peter icon, but this will have to do.

[hackthis.livejournal.com]

I think, at this point, it wouldn't be hard to be smarter than Mohinder -- but it IS interesting that Sylar's so obsessed that he'll carry out his Nathan ruise just to have Mohinder close to him. Do you think Mohinder knows? No, of course not. He's not that smart.

Also, those pictures were totally of Monty and Simon, yes.

[antheia.livejournal.com]

This is the part, I think, where I say "I told you so". *g*

[hackthis.livejournal.com]

Dude, that was just, 'Whooooo boy.'

[fajrdrako.livejournal.com]

Don't worry. They won't kill Nathan. It's an alternate future that will be reversed by whatever happens in the present - Hiro killing Sylar, or trying to, or whatever.

More important, remember the first rule of comic book material: No one who dies stays dead.

Just remember that, and you'll be okay.

[ladyjestyr.livejournal.com]

I agree. I am about 99% certain it'll never happen. I hope.

[chicklet-girl.livejournal.com]

My new crack-addled theory is that (somehow) Peter and Sylar are brothers (or half-brothers), because they both have the ability to absorb other Heroes' powers, but have to use different methods to do it. Also, since they have the Battle Royale, obvs they're two sides of the same coin, i.e. related.

But I don't care how (disturbingly) hot Sylar is, if present!Hiro fails to kill him, he kills Nathan. And that is Not On, Kring. Not. On.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going back to flailing about future!Hiro and his mastery of the katana because duuuuuuuude. He's so bad-ass he doesn't even bother to teleport to the battle -- he takes out the lobby-guards first.

[hackthis.livejournal.com]

My new crack-addled theory is that (somehow) Peter and Sylar are brothers (or half-brothers), because they both have the ability to absorb other Heroes' powers, but have to use different methods to do it. Also, since they have the Battle Royale, obvs they're two sides of the same coin, i.e. related.

Oh, yes, I've heard this theory being banded around for some time now. I'm sure they have something going on. Maybe they can be Castor and Pollux. I do so love my Greek Mythology.

But I don't care how (disturbingly) hot Sylar is, if present!Hiro fails to kill him, he kills Nathan. And that is Not On, Kring. Not. On.


Preach, baby. PREACH.

[plumtastic.livejournal.com]

At the first shot of Peter, I whistled low and grinned madly. Finally, finally, I have justification for being in love with that guy since Opposite of Sex. And how.


Though I did see a bits of younger, bloated Adrian in some Victoria Principal Lifetime movie this weekend and nearly plotzed. Thankfully those suits came to the rescue.

[hackthis.livejournal.com]

I never ever EVER saw the Milo thing and then last night I was like 'Good Lord!'

Though I did see a bits of younger, bloated Adrian in some Victoria Principal Lifetime movie this weekend and nearly plotzed. Thankfully those suits came to the rescue.

Harsh much?! LOL.

[teenygozer.livejournal.com]

They are gonna WIPE THAT DEPRESSING FUTURE WE SAW right off the face of the temporal topography, you'll see. Because Ando cannot die, Nathan cannot die, and wee Micah cannot die. I also like Claire a lot, though her dimpled fiance was a bit too perfect and my thoughts upon seeing him were, "this guy's toast." I wonder if he'll make it to the next reality.

[hackthis.livejournal.com]

I wonder if he'll make it to the next reality.

Nah, too pretty and too simple. Although, you know, look at Mohinder; he makes it work. Oh, maybe we can only have one per timeline ;)

[blondiusmaximus.livejournal.com]

I still cannot get over the idea that for the past five years Nathan has been dead and Peter didn't know. And that, like. Peter's Nathan has been dead for five years. I am only assuming that Peter left New York and Nathan after realizing the decision he made about letting him (BOMB) explode.


But yeah, seriously, where are the power-crazed Nathan in the White House fics, where he is unwilling to let slightly unhinged (SMOKIN HOT) Peter out of his sight? Oval Office power play sex. I AM WAITING FOR IT, FANDOM.



I seriously cannot wait for all of the fic that has to come out of this. The creators gave us an entire new world to play in, and there are just too many awesome possibilities not to explore.

[hackthis.livejournal.com]

a) Your icon is THE BOMB! In all the ways that that is possible.

b) I still cannot get over the idea that for the past five years Nathan has been dead and Peter didn't know. And that, like. Peter's Nathan has been dead for five years. I am only assuming that Peter left New York and Nathan after realizing the decision he made about letting him (BOMB) explode.

I whole-heartedly agree. I mean, does the strip club have some sort of protective force field (hey, that's totally possibly in comicsland!) and Peter's just immune to Nathan, or so he thinks. I still can't cope with Nathan being dead in any universe though, just saying.

But yeah, seriously, where are the power-crazed Nathan in the White House fics, where he is unwilling to let slightly unhinged (SMOKIN HOT) Peter out of his sight? Oval Office power play sex. I AM WAITING FOR IT, FANDOM.

Oh, dude. DUDE.

[storydivagirl.livejournal.com]

The fact that Nathan and Peter weren't together was my main worry about what was going on with nathan. Sure, i don't think Nathan would undertake genocide either, but it was the fact that he and Peter were apart, especially right after last week's episode when he said he didn't know what he would do without Peter.

[hackthis.livejournal.com]

The fact that Nathan and Peter weren't together was my main worry about what was going on with nathan.

Word. All I could think was 'Yes, but where's Peter? Yes, no, really, where's Peter? Nathan cannot possibly be right without Peter' and low and behold!

[elbomac.livejournal.com]

When "Nathan" was like, "I know how things work" to Mohinder (I think; must rewatch) I said to myself, That's what Sylar would say. And then when he was Sylar I screamed and had to pause the thing until I stopped hyperventilating.

They cannot kill Nathan.

God, I love this show!

Bad Peter, no cookie!

[hackthis.livejournal.com]

I'm glad everybody else understood, because mostly I just thought Nathan had been brain-wiped or body swapped or something -- I knew that wasn't my Nathan though. AND I CAN'T BELIEVE PETER DIDN'T REALIZE IT EITHER!

[darksylvia.livejournal.com]

Also? Okay, Peter with a scar and dressing all hotass? Whoooooooooooo boy.

AND HOW!

Seriously though, Peter was SMOKING last night, I was like, Uhhhhhhh, there is NO WAY Nathan would have let that out the house.

EVERYTHING THAT TOUCHED HIM SIZZLED.

[hackthis.livejournal.com]

Seriously though, Peter was SMOKING last night, I was like, Uhhhhhhh, there is NO WAY Nathan would have let that out the house.

EVERYTHING THAT TOUCHED HIM SIZZLED.

I was like, um, whoa.

[ladyjestyr.livejournal.com]

They killed Nathan: bad. Very bad.
They turned Peter into a scary dangerous hotass: ohmygod, times a billion.

I don't fear for Nathan too much, because .. well, wait. They killed Isaac, didn't they...

ARGH.

[hackthis.livejournal.com]

Like I said, if they kill Nathan. I am gone.

[ladydey.livejournal.com]

Everything about last night was pitch perfect - I just there are no words (I think I was woooting so loudly that it was a wonder no one called the cops - heeeee).

Okay, Peter with a scar and dressing all hotass? Whoooooooooooo boy.

- So seriously hotass, as to defy any other description.

No, really, whoooo boy. And I mean that in all the best possible, "here let me channel a little Neo from The Matrix and some Italian mob movie here in my tacky STRIP CLUB!" way.

- With the whole degenerate air, and general pissiness (and the stripper girlfriend with a heart of gold), all while being the most powerful Hero, so made of awesome!

- I think he was mostly upset because Nathan's crappy plan (before the death that DIDN'T HAPPEN) was to get Peter out of town after the explosion until the heat died down and Nathan had the chance to finesse things. Peter didn't want to go, especially because he didn't want to leave Nathan alone and at the mercy of people who didn't love him like Peter does. This is the only way the Nathan let the hotass leave - he didn't realize what he was letting go.

I just love this show sooooooo much!

Now with complete thoughts

[hackthis.livejournal.com]

With the whole degenerate air, and general pissiness (and the stripper girlfriend with a heart of gold), all while being the most powerful Hero, so made of awesome!

I just cracked up, stripper with a heart of gold and schizophrenia. And yes, okay, so Nathan's brilliant plan didn't work, but dude, to just RUN AWAY and STAY AWAY? Bad Peter, no cookie! I thought you were more loyal than that.

[svilleficrecs.livejournal.com]

It was SO GOOD.

[hackthis.livejournal.com]

Yes, quite.

[sparky77.livejournal.com]

Seriously, as much as I loved it, I can't be totally happy because of the whole Nathan being dead thing. That's just not cool.

I really, really want to hear about the fight that made Peter believe that Nathan would just let him Pleave like that. I do like that Peter ends up with a woman that he probably knows Nathan had sex with. Future Peter is so fuck up (and hot, god, so fucking hot!)

And I loved how the only thing that really registered to Peter at the end was that Sylar had killed his brother.

But still, Nathan! I miss him! I need some Petrelli brother scenes where they are like sitting on each other's lap to make up for this.

[kelly-girl.livejournal.com]

And by sitting on each other's lap you mean slow sweet sex, right?

Or they could feed each other ice cream, off their naked bodies.

[slodwick.livejournal.com]

Dude. The only thing that makes me sad about Hiro & Ando going back and changing things is that Peter will no longer be all hotass Neo Corleone in the black clothes with the stubble and scar, because that shit was HOT.

[hackthis.livejournal.com]

Neo Corleone.

*adds to long list of reasons she loves Slod*

[romancandles.livejournal.com]

Dude, I felt for the Nathan lovers when the Sylar reveal came, I really did. But he's totally not going to die. Please. The whole future was already jossed by Isaac telling them how to stop the bomb. You know that no one in sci-fi is ever really dead anyway (that's what I'm going to tell myself when Sylar bites it in the finale).

But seriously, how obsessed is Sylar with Mohinder? It's like my 'ship came true, wtf?

[hackthis.livejournal.com]

But seriously, how obsessed is Sylar with Mohinder? It's like my 'ship came true, wtf?

I've been thinking about writing this for weeks now, I admit it, I just don't have the time.

[fivil.livejournal.com]

Bless your Petrelli-loving soul, I seriously doubt Nathan will die. He's such a key character. I thought of this episode as a deliciously OMG-inducing AU scenario. I personally loved, despite the fact it made me feel so extreme emotions (Ando killed? Micah killed? I weep, I really do).

I also hope Nathan doesn't die just because I love sharing this fandom with you, even though I'm not in it for the Petrellis and thus we're not completely on the same page. Still, you give me the Petrelli-loving view into this show & I dig that.

[hackthis.livejournal.com]

I also hope Nathan doesn't die just because I love sharing this fandom with you, even though I'm not in it for the Petrellis and thus we're not completely on the same page. Still, you give me the Petrelli-loving view into this show & I dig that.

You are very sweet, thank you. Also, I see how Tim is all about the AU scenarios, so I'm waiting for him to create the one where Peter and Nathan are twins -- oh, wait, I wrote that one. Well, how about the one where they're lovers -- oh, wait, Tim wrote that one. Is there anything we're missing?

[heidi8.livejournal.com]

I think what I loved most was Sylar saying Nathan had turned against his kind before being murdered, and Peter just shouts Liar! because he *knows Nathan* and knows he wouldn't do that.

I love that Peter still has faith in Nathan - probably because he's now realised that in the recent years, Nathan hasn't been himself at all. Poor Peter. Poor Nathan!

[hackthis.livejournal.com]

I admit your icon makes me kind of tingly, but really, you know it's SO X-Men of them. Okay Pyro and Iceman, go play now.

[kelly-girl.livejournal.com]

It was nice to see Jim Profit in the White House, yo, seriously. Did I mention the suits?

Also? Okay, Peter with a scar and dressing all hotass? Whoooooooooooo boy.

Ha! Seriously. The ep could have only been made more perfect if we discovered Nathan was tied up in the basement.

Peter was impossibly hot. I love every one of his scenes, especially his half-aggressive, half-needy kiss with Niki. Whew! Seriously go back and look at the way he grabs her face. He was ready to Sex her right there!

Seriously though, Peter was SMOKING last night, I was like, Uhhhhhhh, there is NO WAY Nathan would have let that out the house.

Dude when his hands lit up? I made a noise only dolphins in friggin Florida could hear.

[hackthis.livejournal.com]

Ha! Seriously. The ep could have only been made more perfect if we discovered Nathan was tied up in the basement.

Stop looking in my house! Honestly, people! Have you never heard of privacy?

[souliesoul.livejournal.com]

This was totally Episode: Matrix. Really good :D Also, I don't think that they will kill off Nathan for real, not now that we've seen that Sylar impersonates him.

[hackthis.livejournal.com]

Dude, they really should have called it 'There is No Spoon'

[hackthis.livejournal.com]

I know what you mean about the Peter!love, mine has been a very grudging thing -- a VERY grudging thing -- but last night was just like some massive influx of 'Huh, okay, you win.' As for Claire, I'm not a fan, so.

[gene-lee.livejournal.com]

You know what's scary?... In Fallout, Peter dreamed of Nathan coming for him and morphing into Sylar.

Kring has mentioned that there are quasi-prophetic clues to the dreams/visions that Peter has. And its completely twisted enough for them to show up in the fashion that it did last night... but Kring also has stated that certain things would happen and certain Heroes would clearly "die" in upcoming episodes... and Five Years Later, would also fit into the completely twisted way that Kring has of exploring themes without having to commit to them.

I'm of the camp that Nathan will NOT die, but he may have enough regret or crisis of faith to maybe wish he was. I think we will see something huge with him during the finale that will determine his role in season 2.

Other than that, I completely agree with your views on Peter's hotassery, expletives abound.

[hackthis.livejournal.com]

You know what's scary?... In Fallout, Peter dreamed of Nathan coming for him and morphing into Sylar.


You know what's really scary? How smart you are ;)

I'm of the camp that Nathan will NOT die, but he may have enough regret or crisis of faith to maybe wish he was. I think we will see something huge with him during the finale that will determine his role in season 2.

Like I said, sweetie, as long as he's around, so am I.

[hobbit-feet.livejournal.com]

OMG I KNOW! While I thought it was pretty scary-cool that Sylar managed to get into the freaking White House I was like, "But...but Nathan..."

Also, I am of the opinion that somehow present!Nathan needs to meet future!Peter. And be turned on by the smoking hot badassery. And then Peter can leave Nikki and have angsty-morally-reprehensible sex with Nathan.

And oh my God you and your amazing fics have me thinking of incest plotbunnies. What is the world coming to?

Maybe it was just me but I really had the feeling that Sylar was kind of trying to turn Mohinder into a mass murderer so that they could be fucked up psychopathic soul mates.

[hackthis.livejournal.com]

Also, I am of the opinion that somehow present!Nathan needs to meet future!Peter. And be turned on by the smoking hot badassery. And then Peter can leave Nikki and have angsty-morally-reprehensible sex with Nathan.


sparky77 and I are already on this idea and trying to figure out how to make it work for us.

Maybe it was just me but I really had the feeling that Sylar was kind of trying to turn Mohinder into a mass murderer so that they could be fucked up psychopathic soul mates.

Uh, yeah, that's another story I want to write. For reals.

[ladyclio16.livejournal.com]

I knew last week that wasn't Nathan, just from the painting that Sylar did I figured out his whole plan to kill Nathan and steal his Presidency. I totally called it last week (http://ladyclio16.livejournal.com/95993.html#cutid1). I think I was the only one who wasn't shocked. (I wasn't spoiled for it either. I'm going to stop bragging at some point I swear I will.

My theory on why Peter didn't realize Sylar had taken over Nathan's life has to do with some obvious rift occurring. I don't think it was a big I hate you rift. I think it had more to do with guilt. The guilt of Peter being the bomb and letting Nate cover that fact up for him. I think it ate away at them until they couldn't even stand to be around one another any more. The guilt of all those people dying and they couldn't stop it, Nathan even gained from it politically.

Nikki became the one who took care of Peter. He could just hide and literally be invisible. She would take care of every thing. He didn't have to see or be seen by anyone he didn't want to. She took over as his new Nathan. Except he didn't need taken care of anymore the lesson Nathan is just starting to learn I think. Which may be the other thing that drove Peter and Nathan apart. The new change in their dynamics that is happening.

[hackthis.livejournal.com]

She took over as his new Nathan. Except he didn't need taken care of anymore the lesson Nathan is just starting to learn I think. Which may be the other thing that drove Peter and Nathan apart. The new change in their dynamics that is happening.

Yes, I agree, I'm exploring this in a story I'm drafting right now.

[just-katarin.livejournal.com]

oh oh oh! No no, don't freak out, see, Nathan hasn't been dead for long in 1x20. No for serious, follow along with me. Hiro and Bennet both still thought Candace and DL were alive. Therefore, in order for Sylar to have aquired their powers, he would have had to kill them fairly recently (I mean for serious, Bennet knows where his cattle are ok? And Hiro is the #1 terrorist, he has to keep tabs and stuff.)

Therefore, Nathan's been around for some time and it's only been recently that Sylar has somehow replaced him. So ya know, he and Peter were have hotass sex in the Oval Office long before now.

As for Claire, I give her a lot of slack cause I'm always 'oh she's just a teenager and teenager's are like that' but after that shit with Bennet at the diner? Bitch please.

[gene-lee.livejournal.com]

ITA. Nathan had two year's from the time the bomb went off to make it to the Oval Office. There's no way that Brain-muncher could pull off any amount of charisma or lunacy to spend that time running for candidacy.

Plus, Sylar said that Nathan had already "betrayed his own kind" by the time he killed him. So while hinting at a later timeline, it also makes you wonder if it was a lie like Peter believed or whether Nathan's actions became more morally grey. Sylar really could've just been acknowledging that he knew about Nathan's deal with the devil or he could've been referencing the post-bomb brute squad rounding up "terrorists" or perhaps even the recent choice to kill them all.

I like to think though, that Nathan draws the line at genocide and that Sylar killed him months befor the Present-Hiro's arrival. I mean, Sylar's good, but 5 years? Man, he couldn't even fool a anmesiac for a few hours and even Mohinder eventually got a clue.